Monday, February 16, 2009

HaHa... Suck It, Neoliberalism

Sorry to offend all you capitalist pigs out there, but I'm a Hugo Chavez fan.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

I\'m a Hugo Boss man, myself.

sloaneranger said...

Opening doors with Cuba and Peru is why I thought Obama was the better candidate a long long fucking time ago. Nixon opened doors with China and that was an accomplishment. This idea that we don\'t talk to such people is bullshit. There aren\'t really kinds of people and you won\'t get cooties from someone just because they nationalized some of their shit. I mean why is unfettered property claims the highest priority all the fucking time? There\'s immanent domain, taxes, and all kinds of regulations on what you can and cannot have. It\'s not like democratic nations don\'t violate your perfect property in some way inevitably.

I really need to deconstruct the notion of the atomic individual. I prefer a \"Warriors\" style tribalism where each gang wears similar shit.

Anonymous said...

ranger - have you seen his tv show? he\'s pretty much off his rocker AND he just made it possible (a vote? right...) for himself to be dictator indefinitely. how is that good?

? said...

What does he mean by people will be neutralized?

stonedranger said...

No I\'ve never seen his TV show, but I don\'t think you can call the guy a dictator... by all accounts, the voting process in Venezuela is acceptable under international standards, and he continues to win election. This will NOT allow him to remain in power as long as he pleases, but will permit him to keep seeking reelection and holding office if the people vote for him. He has also done a great deal for the poor in his country, and has been an essential part of strong international coalition of leftist governments in South America who are, for the first time in modern history, effectively putting the neoliberal economic policies imposed on that continent on hold. I think that\'s a VERY good thing.

Anonymous said...

hooray collectivism

Anonymous said...

what about Boliva??

stonedranger said...

I\'m an Evo Morales fan as well...

? said...

I\'m all for socialism, but there\'s just something unsettling about anyone antisemitic.

stonedranger said...

Who is antisemitic? If you are referring to either Chavez or Morales, I haven\'t heard anything about it...

? said...

Honestly, it\'s hard to tell. You hear about things happening (the synagogue attack a few days ago, his Christmas Eve speech) and when you hear the things initially said they really do sound anti Semitic, but then he defends the actions and statements saying this is what he meant. (He meaning Chavez). I for one want to believe him. He says that he hates how the Israelites are treating the Palestenians, not the people though. Hate the sinner not the sin sort of thing. It sounds good.
But I have a friend from Venezuela. She says that she is scared of Chavez. The election wasn\'t that large of a margin. It was a win by 54%. He supposedly has a 90% approval rating. I know the election wasn\'t for him, but in a sense it was.
Chavez speaks out of both sides of his mouth. At one time he sounds like a lunatic and other times he is right on.

stonedranger said...

Wow, I\'m glad someone with half a brain is posting on here tonight. I agree-- Chavez isn\'t perfect by any stretch. He seems insecure about his power in Venezuela and seems to be willing to bend the rules here and there in order to maintain it, but at this point, seriously-- is there any other way to effectively run a government in South America? When compared to the last 100 years of South American political history, his mistakes and misdeeds have been relatively benign, and although that doesn\'t render all of his bad acts null and void, it does negate the kind of moral equivalence that the mainstream media seems to hold between Chavez and just about any other South American \"dictator\" of any political persuasion in the past 50 years. No one plays by the \"rules\" down there because South American countries never have the necessary political stability (for better or worse, really) to develop the kind of culturally pervasive omnipotent status for the moral authority of the law that appears to exist in the United States and several other (mostly) western European nations. Again, this is not necessarily a knock on South America-- it\'s just a reality.

Anonymous said...

did you go to smu or the like?

Anonymous said...

what\'s a smu?

cliffnotes said...

just some other notes..

he\'s only had 90% approval raiting with the poor.. never with the country.. and he doesn\'t have that 90% anymore.. for various reasons such as.. social programs paid for directly by the russians, and chinese have gone away.. he\'s still buying arms, and building up his army fairly quickly.. and under 45 dollars a barrel he has 3 years before he has to run the government like us.. with credit.. his local approval raitings have been plummiting because of the economy/social programs.. it was largely believed he wasn\'t going to win this power play.. which is largely what it is.. he\'s losing his grip.. he\'s even losing favor with the other leftist because of his building of arms.. withdrawing of aid(no more freebies for his buddies).. and the alienation from other sources of aid that happened for accepting aid from chavez(bolivia has been struggling all year to rebuild aid relations with japan in this post \'chavez\' oil power time)..

so power monger or not i guess question is.. is chavez bad for his people and south america.. short term.. it probably doesn\'t matter who\'s in power.. Venezuela has a cash problem. long term? well if after the next 4 years.. and the people see that chavez lacks the skills to keep up and nuture long term social programs so they choose not to reelect him after this third term.. then yes from the venezuela POV chavez was good.. he brought democratic policys.. built up an army.. made some important friends.. however if he does more of a power grab in the next 4 years.. continues to make laws to push out the other political parties.. makes his next election a farse.. then no.. no matter what social programs he puts into place he has not done his people a service.

i\'ve now been working for 16 hours straight.. and i have a cold.. so.. this comment is largely incoherent but hope it somehow adds.

Anonymous said...

chavez es bueno.

Anonymous said...

hey 2:03, not as incoherent as you hoped?

Anonymous said...

don\'t care about who runs Venezeula as long as he does not turn into a Mugabe type who uses the power of the state to redistribute land and such. Venezeula needs a level of foregin investment to stay afloat, and going down the road of Zimbabewie in the name of fighting \"imperialism\" won\'t help a single soul in that country in the long run.

? said...

You know SR I\'ve thought about that a lot. The thought that they live in a different culture, and things are different than from here. It sounds simple, but it makes you think about the way they live and we live differently. That\'s a different subject, but it correlates.
It\'s things like this where I wish I could just be there to see for myself.

masterblaster said...

Gyrocoptors and studded codpieces are the future. Commie dictators are a big gay thing of the past. Let\'s make the war-for-oil personal again.

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